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[00:01:40] Welcome back everybody to Seria Chronicles. It's another slightly odd week at the end of the

[00:01:46] football season. I feel like we've been doing a couple of these recently where we're not quite

[00:01:50] sure where the big action is. It feels like maybe the big action is the action

[00:01:54] for Italian clubs at least happening in midweek in the Europa League because a lot of the big

[00:01:59] questions in Seria have been resolved. We know who's winning the league, we know who's going to be

[00:02:05] pretty much the top four. Maybe the top five is a little bit more of a conversation,

[00:02:10] but we did still have a game this weekend that stands out. So we'll head straight there,

[00:02:14] which is Roma against Juventus. Mina and Patrick Kendrick are with me as always.

[00:02:20] Mina, I'll just give you one name. Mina Rizuki and Patrick Kendrick.

[00:02:23] I'm like Madonna.

[00:02:26] Mina's like Madonna.

[00:02:28] And yeah, let's go straight to the Saudi Olympico because Roma are in the middle of their

[00:02:33] Europa League semi-final against Viola Vecuzzi. I did a little voice note on Thursday about

[00:02:38] how things went. Obviously not great is the answer. They had this game sandwiched in between

[00:02:44] against Juventus where it didn't feel so consequential because Juventus are third,

[00:02:50] looking pretty set in that top four. Roma, as Patrick had talked about on last week's podcast,

[00:02:56] will qualify for next season's Champions League if either they or Atalanta win the Europa

[00:03:01] League. So they've got an extra in there, but that might not happen. And so the top

[00:03:06] five is still relevant for them. So this was a game they did want to win. And surprisingly,

[00:03:12] I thought if anything, Juventus looked like the slightly better team in this one. I don't know.

[00:03:16] What do you guys think? Well, like a stopped clock, I guess twice the season,

[00:03:21] the legary needs to be right, doesn't it? So yeah, no, but they're due a good performance

[00:03:29] every now and then, Juventus because they do have a better squad than people give them

[00:03:32] credit for. And I think Chieta looked very bright and sharp and he was dashing around the pitch,

[00:03:37] you know, it was like the Chieta Evolved whether he's able to then sustain that remains to be seen.

[00:03:42] I've got a hunch that he's going to turn it on in the Coppa Italia final because he seems to

[00:03:46] save his best performances for the Coppa Italia, the 2020 Euro not withstanding.

[00:03:52] But I think you're right. Yeah, it's a tricky one for Roma because

[00:03:56] if Atalanta get to the Europa League final and win, then Roma obviously

[00:04:00] could benefit from that. And equally, if Atalanta then get to the Europa League final, then

[00:04:06] they're going to be more fatigued as well. And given that Roma's next match is against

[00:04:10] Atalanta, it seems to be all in their favor to cheer them on. But there's been a lot of

[00:04:16] barbs which have already been exchanged between the whole Evan and Dica situation now,

[00:04:20] Gasperini getting annoyed about the fact that I mean, we'll probably get into that

[00:04:26] on another show because that's quite long winded. But I think coming back to Juventus

[00:04:31] and their trip to Rome, it was quite an open game. I didn't expect it because as you said,

[00:04:35] Roma were fatigued. Juventus typically try and shut down big games like this and often they're happy

[00:04:41] with a clean sheet and where possible a 1-0 win. We saw that earlier in the season. They beat

[00:04:46] Roma in December with a goal from Rabiol. They beat Napoli earlier on in the season,

[00:04:50] a goal from Gatti. So typically they've done okay in these matches. But it was quite open.

[00:04:57] Svila had to make lots of saves. The Roma goalkeeper's changed and had to make a save late on to

[00:05:02] tonight, Hammy Abraham. I was a little bit surprised. That makes me think that finally maybe Juventus

[00:05:06] have just decided to release the shackles and then perhaps disregarding a little bit of what

[00:05:11] the head coach is saying to them. Well, maybe. Do you remember in the Coppa Italia when

[00:05:17] it was at against Lazio in the first leg when they were just terrible in the first half and then in

[00:05:24] the second half they switched it on and they asked Allegri what happened. And he said, well,

[00:05:27] I just told them to go forward. So maybe you just told them to go forward on this occasion.

[00:05:32] Some clever tactical messaging there so we can get a better performance.

[00:05:37] It's interesting with Chiesa because I think this is the first time that we've seen him

[00:05:42] sort of really shine in the game and yet he didn't get a goal. And so, and it's annoying as well that

[00:05:49] he got taken off. So quite a few questions as to why this keeps happening. Another thing is just

[00:05:55] that I find this is a running theme now and said, yeah, it's a lot of good play, a lot of good

[00:05:59] movement by some of these strikers but not enough of like no, not enough end product.

[00:06:06] And I look around and I wonder what is going on because I do feel like in Italy we have

[00:06:11] some of these players that create a lot or do a lot but the level of consistency being shown in

[00:06:16] terms of that actually translating into assists or goals is it's just not good enough. Whereas once

[00:06:23] upon a time what I used to think about Italy was that it's a super efficient league. So you would

[00:06:28] only create like a few chances perhaps, but they would all be converted quite well. And so,

[00:06:33] especially with Juventus let's say that was always how I used to look at it. They were

[00:06:37] for ages in the Champions League they would just look like the team that was below par

[00:06:41] even in the heydays of 2017 and 15. And yet they would only need a couple of chances and

[00:06:47] Iguaín or Tevez or Marathe or someone would come through and would just be goals and then the

[00:06:52] other team would be like, how did this happen? And now I just think of it as being the other

[00:06:56] way. There's also something to be said about Juventus that just don't really know how to

[00:07:00] create from open play. Everything is either cross converted with a header or it's something

[00:07:04] from a set piece. So attacking play is something that we've obviously beaten them with a stick and

[00:07:10] as for Roma, I think they're just exhausted. But the question is why did McKenny say Juventus are

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[00:11:58] there's a lot of these games really feel like end of season games and it feels like

[00:12:04] there's this energy in a lot of the league where it's like okay we're kind of there now we're at

[00:12:08] the end of this this marathon and and and and we're staggering across the line as you said Mina

[00:12:13] you've ended up having the least right to feel like that because they didn't go to the supercopa

[00:12:18] they haven't been in Europe yes they've gone to the Coppa Italia finals so that's something but

[00:12:22] in general they played a lot of fewer games and perhaps that's why they were

[00:12:26] sharper than the Roma in this game Roma really did look wiped out to me

[00:12:31] and and perhaps there's something in Federico Chiesa just being a little bit healthier and

[00:12:40] and buzzing again he's such a he's such a particular footballer I feel like we've talked

[00:12:45] around him just over and over again without the narrative really changing in these last

[00:12:49] few years because it feels like we all see this potential in him we all see the possibilities

[00:12:56] in Federico Chiesa we all saw him at Euro 2020 being such a dynamo for Italy and we have the same

[00:13:03] eyes to have the same frustrations with him anyway where I say just just look up a bit more if you

[00:13:07] could just not always be looking down if you could sometimes be a bit more generous but he did

[00:13:12] set up a goal in this game um with it with a nice cross for for Bremer and he he really like

[00:13:18] showed us that best of himself again with that uh shot that came off the post I think it was

[00:13:23] Kristen and he turned inside out really nice like uh uh dragged back in and completely wrong

[00:13:29] footing defender he really has got this in him it's just that he's not thinking a lot of us

[00:13:36] and I'm still waiting for it to happen if you know what I mean but do you not think it a lot of

[00:13:40] what you see from him it's just these individual moments of brilliance like him taking everyone

[00:13:44] on and it's it's the same issue I have sometimes with Graves Galea it's it's not

[00:13:50] enough I mean you then just don't play enough as a team anyway but it's not always thinking ahead of

[00:13:56] how he can help the team but rather thinking ahead of how he can be good himself and I think he's too

[00:14:01] individualistic in his way and he is he deserves a lot of freedom and to play like that because

[00:14:06] when he turns it on he's really special but that for me is something that I don't really

[00:14:11] like to see particularly in my team I don't know how to explain this I don't like players

[00:14:14] that are brilliant when they're left alone and allowed their freedom I like players who are

[00:14:18] brilliant for the team and and I think that he is coming up like you know even in the last match he was

[00:14:23] when he came on with Millic at the time and tried to do something as who did they play in their

[00:14:28] last match I completely forgot last week it shows how memorable the games have been in Milan

[00:14:33] last week yeah it was me and I and I do like he does as soon as he comes on right everything

[00:14:40] changes you you realize there's a little bit more electricity there is a little bit more

[00:14:44] there is something going to happen because he's somebody who can change the way that the game is

[00:14:48] being played but again it seems a lot reliant on what he can do in terms of brilliance rather than

[00:14:55] what he can extract from his teammates around him so it's that kind of thing that I'm here for

[00:15:01] me is in that same category with a few other players that I'm never sure about because at

[00:15:05] this level at this his age he should be able to make to be a bit more of a team player to

[00:15:10] have developed more into a team player and I agree with you Nikki it's still head down a lot of the

[00:15:15] times it's still somebody that I'm not sure I want to rely on for 90 minutes to rescue me

[00:15:20] but I do think that I can always bring him on and I will provoke a reaction he will do something

[00:15:26] special I just don't know necessarily if that will lead to my team's win I think he's quite

[00:15:30] limited player in terms of his tactical intelligence to Vanessa I don't think he has the highest

[00:15:35] footballing IQ which is not necessarily a problem I think he's got a set of physical gifts

[00:15:41] and close control that allows him to be a devastating player and I was trying to think now just as

[00:15:47] as we were discussing Keaser you know often footballing nations develop a similar type

[00:15:53] of profile they have a handful of different profile of players you know if you look back

[00:15:57] down the years you can name at least five or six old school Italian number tens from the

[00:16:03] 90s who would have a similar sort of playing style you know you could say Delpied or Badge or Totti

[00:16:08] they're all from a similar sort of bloodline there but I'm trying to think if Italy have ever produced

[00:16:13] a player like Federico Chiesa I was thinking back now and I can't think of anyone that had that

[00:16:18] sort of very direct searing pace down the wing and cutting in and shooting and curling them

[00:16:23] all into the far corner he's almost like an Italian and Nikki is probably going to vomit at

[00:16:29] the mention of this but there's a little bit of Thierry Henri about him in the way that he surges

[00:16:34] in from the left hand side and tries to bend into the far corner I'm saying it's a sort of Thierry

[00:16:39] Henri light obviously he's nowhere near as consistent but I think it is that sort of thing

[00:16:43] and I think Henri was a much more intelligent player he could do a lot more with with Keaser

[00:16:46] but I think it's that sort of profile and I think that Italy don't have too many players

[00:16:51] that can be match winners I've always had my reservations about Keaser I think he peaked at

[00:16:55] Euro 2020 and I think unfortunately we saw someone at their peak and I think there's only so long you

[00:17:02] can use the Injurism excuse and I hope he's able to recapture that level but even if he doesn't

[00:17:07] I think Italy should be grateful that he was able to turn it on in a tournament where

[00:17:12] lest we forget he wasn't even a starter for many of those matches as well and I think that could

[00:17:16] be his role if the game is tight you can get him on and then just give him the ball and

[00:17:20] say make things happen to be honest so but I can't think of a single Italian player from the

[00:17:24] past or anyone current that has a playing style even remotely similar to his which is both a blessing

[00:17:31] and a curse I think I think that's a really interesting point and I think it's something

[00:17:34] that I've thought about before when you talk about player profiles that are missing in certain

[00:17:40] not missing but less common in certain leagues and it's why I think you get certain players

[00:17:45] who have a tremendous immediate impact and then once once they get more understood that

[00:17:50] impact drops off quite sharply and the one I always think of as my most extreme example is

[00:17:55] Juan Manuel de Torpe who had that moment where like you had teams literally you know stealing him

[00:18:00] off each other because everyone was so excited by him and suddenly it was like actually he's not

[00:18:04] that special is he just he's just direct and willing to run at people and once you realize

[00:18:07] that that doesn't happen that often in Steadi Abbey you can defend against it

[00:18:11] suddenly it started to look a lot less scary which is interesting because some of what Kierzad is

[00:18:15] is the same thing run at people be willing to to dribble at someone which has it's not never existed

[00:18:22] but I think it's been more rare in Italy than it has been in in certainly say the Premier League

[00:18:26] where you've seen a lot of those kinds of players. I think that's a really interesting

[00:18:32] point about Kierzad. Do you not think he would belong I know this sounds crazy but

[00:18:38] in a team in which that is a little bit more horizontal and he can be the guy that

[00:18:42] makes them more vertical like the outlet for that you know run would he not be better suited to that?

[00:18:49] I was curious actually I mean maybe this is not an answer to the question Meena but I'm so curious

[00:18:54] because there was this rumour and I think it's just pure agent talk trying to help his client get

[00:19:00] some more money in the deal. This rumour about Roma coming in for him because he's only got one

[00:19:04] you left on the on the contract after this summer. I was curious to know what you would

[00:19:10] think about that you don't want them to give him you want him to go.

[00:19:12] Well it depends can I get Pellegrini because I'm a big fan of Pellegrini I really really like

[00:19:18] Pellegrini. Yeah I don't see him leaving Roma to go to events. I know this is what's upsetting me.

[00:19:22] It's one thing it's one thing Pianich and Ben Asiab but I don't I don't see it happening with

[00:19:26] Pellegrini to be honest. You don't want DiBala back in said? No it's okay I mean DiBala has been

[00:19:31] brilliant but no DiBala it's it's it's that kind of play I just they're just these oh I don't

[00:19:38] I just DiBala, Leao, Chiesa they all fall into this one bracket that for me is not top level

[00:19:44] football and you all think I'm crazy. The best thing for Chiesa's career and maybe even for Italy

[00:19:50] as a consequence of this would be for him to go to the Premier League I think his style is

[00:19:54] perfectly suited to the Premier League he's very direct he's very quick there's a lot of transition

[00:19:59] there's a lot of you know back and forth. But there's millions of people like him then he's

[00:20:02] not he's there's a lot like that which is I don't think he'll stand out because I don't think

[00:20:06] he's better than them. I don't think he needs to stand out I think he needs to fit in to be honest.

[00:20:10] That's why I actually think Spain is better for him because I think if you are a team like Barcelona

[00:20:14] that is capable of keeping the ball that has intelligent players around you and then you allow

[00:20:19] this man some vertical freedom to convert all of that possession into a more direct threat

[00:20:24] change of pace will be electrifying for everyone and then he could really show off his freedom

[00:20:29] but when everyone else has all this searing freedom and not that much tactical intelligence

[00:20:33] I think it'll just be one of many. You say that Mina but having having it's only just coming to my

[00:20:37] head this thought but some of those criticisms that we're levelling at Chiesa I might also have

[00:20:42] levelled that Nicolò Zagnolo and I'm not saying it's been perfect for him at Villa but he's

[00:20:45] he's done okay. It's pretty much been awful and they don't want to keep him.

[00:20:49] I mean he's had what one or two performances like the fans hate like I haven't been on his side

[00:20:54] I don't I don't necessarily Zagnolo I mean it's a different body shape though isn't it Zagnolo

[00:21:00] three and Zagnolo is not as quick he's quite upright and obviously he bulked up a lot after

[00:21:05] his knee injury where his Chiesa is a lot bit shorter and he's sort of he's quicker and a

[00:21:10] lower center of gravity so I know what you mean that's why I don't really like them playing

[00:21:15] together for Italy one on the right one on the left first. It's either or and I would go with

[00:21:19] Chiesa on the basis that Zagnolo hasn't hasn't done enough if you ask me but I think

[00:21:25] position for for Italy I really do. I mean for me I prefer a bit of the type of player you know.

[00:21:34] So that's a miss. Be still my beating heart. Yeah like that is what we love. I think that's

[00:21:39] the question I need to get to you to both of you then is do you see Fitheri Cochiazza having a

[00:21:45] role this summer for Italy and if so what would you like that role to be for Italy like

[00:21:48] do you see him starting do you think he's just that impact there at the bench what do

[00:21:51] you think is am I spalletti or is this Patrick Kendrick talking give us Patrick Kendrick.

[00:21:56] Okay well my opinion doesn't count for much but if it were me I would have him coming off the bench

[00:22:02] as an impact player but I think that's a huge call because then you're basically inferring

[00:22:06] that someone is more qualified than him to start the game and you're saying Italy have a better

[00:22:11] left winger in terms of pure talent and potential I don't think they necessarily do

[00:22:15] although what Claudio Ranieri said to me said to me said recently about an exclusive with the

[00:22:22] Tinker man what Claudio Ranieri said recently about Nicholas Viola really sort of struck a

[00:22:27] chord with me he basically because Viola scored five goals off the bench and there was a lot

[00:22:30] of clamor why is he not starting and Ranieri said he's in the autumn of his career which is

[00:22:35] obviously not true of Chiesa albeit he has had some injuries and he said he's intelligent

[00:22:39] enough to understand that he can make more of an impact off the bench and why would I play

[00:22:44] him against you know fresh defenses when I can play him against tired defenses.

[00:22:49] Apologize if I made that point already on I'm getting a bit of deja vu here so maybe I have

[00:22:53] made that point before but I can see a similar argument with Chiesa if you've got these games

[00:22:57] which are very tight and both teams are expending not only a lot of physical energy but mental

[00:23:02] energy as well if you can bring on Chiesa like that and literally just get the ball to him

[00:23:05] every single time on the left and say run at people and either he loses the ball or

[00:23:10] he beats his man or maybe they double up on him and Spalletti works with them and say okay when

[00:23:15] you see they're doubling up on you shift it quickly inside and then we'll switch it to the other side

[00:23:19] we've got an overload so I wouldn't start him I'd have him come off as an impact player

[00:23:24] I think Spalletti will start him that's my hunch. Mina? It's the lack of alternatives

[00:23:32] is there's just not that many great. I think there's many it's just whether or not they're

[00:23:37] good enough. Yeah, I think I feel like there's a lot of right wingers I don't know how many left

[00:23:44] wingers there are though do you know what I mean? Who is the starting or who is the starting

[00:23:50] Dryden? Here's how we're conceiving it right so I'm imagining it's Tutte Quartista behind a striker

[00:23:56] is what I'm imagining. Oh I had a 4-3-3. Yeah me too I had a 4-3-3. I was thinking oh

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[00:25:44] apply I don't like very there is quite a lot of players in that conversation right you've got

[00:25:53] Pelik Leni obviously he's been mentioned you've got Bolly Than or you've got um

[00:25:57] Gears I hate someone like Al Sharawe for the season he's had at bed or man

[00:26:03] there's a lot of names but are they great names that's the question no none of them are great

[00:26:07] the way I feel about the back three is I think Spalletti played it in a couple of meaningless

[00:26:12] games in March to appease all the clamour that there was around we've got all these

[00:26:16] teams that play with the back three the Italian champions playing a back three I don't see

[00:26:20] him going to a back three I see him playing for 33 and I think it was a lot with 43 Nikki I think I

[00:26:27] see DeLore up sort right back I think he'll pick Mancini and Bastoni or Mancini and a Ched be possibly

[00:26:34] and then I think he'll play DiMarco's left but that's the way I see him doing it and then

[00:26:37] I think you'll have a bit more of a workman like midfield because someone needs to certainly on the

[00:26:43] left hand side someone needs to work hard to make up for DiMarco's defensive deficiencies

[00:26:47] and then I think he'll play Chiesa on the left whoever it's going to be on the right maybe Zanolo

[00:26:53] at this stage because while Politano has had a good season he's not really played much for Italy and

[00:26:56] then and then Scamaca centre forwards so I don't see him veering away from that I take

[00:27:03] this point by I think otherwise it sounds like you're just you're favouring a system for the

[00:27:07] defence but then everyone else within the system doesn't necessarily fit I mean you can't have

[00:27:11] El Shirai we starting for Italy with the greatest of respect you can't have Politano

[00:27:15] starting as a number 10 Nord Zanjons you know what I mean I feel like if you're going to play

[00:27:20] those players you need to put them in you need to put the the square pegs in the square holes

[00:27:25] whatever the bloody mixed meta. Nikki give me your three five two just so I can understand

[00:27:29] more about is it the one that is like because I'm trying to remember I'm looking at the one

[00:27:33] there's the Venezuela or Ecuador what both yeah I mean I'm gonna have to I need like I need

[00:27:38] a minute before we're doing the four the four eleven I've got to like no I mean I just to

[00:27:42] give you a clue and I'm just trying to against Ecuador it was more I care more about the attack

[00:27:47] than I care about the defense because I mean the defense as far as I'm concerned is I support the idea

[00:27:52] of use as much of Inter's defence because it works like don't mess with it it works I agree

[00:27:58] and and so then it is so you play Damiana right centre back I've got no word for Damina right

[00:28:04] centre back here I think he's playing Champions League games in that role why not I think

[00:28:08] he's also pretty smart yes I would for sure drop the learnings of the Damian yeah probably form yeah

[00:28:15] I think he gets a really bad rap dealer in so I mean there's no one can thrive in that team this

[00:28:19] season to be honest but I think people are very short memories which is totally fair but I think

[00:28:23] that it's not a judgment on him as an all-around football is a judgment on what's going to do

[00:28:27] best this summer and I think when you've got a formula that's working somewhere else if

[00:28:31] you could as a national team manager just take that and go true but Dela Denso ended up

[00:28:36] coming into the 2020 side because Florencia got injured he wasn't even supposed to start and he

[00:28:40] was one of the best players in the tournament and that was a team that was working well with a back

[00:28:43] force but then that's three years ago so I always choose experience I like Damia and I think that

[00:28:51] he's there's something about Dela Denso's mentality that I think when the team is falling

[00:28:56] he's not somebody that can change it or as I think Damian is quite good in his leadership

[00:28:59] role well one is Scudetto winning captain the other's a bit part player for Inter I mean

[00:29:04] wow he is though he's a backup he's a backup to Pavar now do you know what I mean he played

[00:29:10] because Screen Yard Screen Yard threw his toys out of his pram and then got injured that's why

[00:29:14] he played yeah he's done very it's a very good pro and Dumfries is very inconsistent so he's just

[00:29:19] like oh he's never the first name on a team sheet Damian to be honest and I actually think he's

[00:29:24] better at right wing back than he is at right centre back so I wouldn't have an argument

[00:29:28] with him playing at right wing back but I think his right centre back it's I agree about the

[00:29:33] wing back thing I do I do really like him in there all a bit more than I prefer him as a centre back

[00:29:37] I'm not but okay so listen let's just put that aside yeah I think that's a also there's no odogi

[00:29:44] um I'm so upset about odogi missing um so let's say we've got Cambiasso Locatelli

[00:29:50] throwing Cambiasso good player yeah yeah yeah yeah who would you then have and is your like you said

[00:29:58] Nikki that you like the idea of having a two one so so sort of two

[00:30:02] I don't know if I've thought about it enough to set us definitely what I like and that's just what

[00:30:06] I've been thinking it would be whether or not I'm right about it I'm not sure Nikki I've just

[00:30:10] thought that's a very good idea mentioned have been considered recently like Bonaventura

[00:30:15] I don't want him to start but he's he's been in that conversation he's been part of the

[00:30:19] testing um and uh I don't think I even mentioned Raspat Nori before as well again that Napoli

[00:30:26] team has had a great season but he's he's part of that conversation he is but what I would say about

[00:30:30] Raspat Nori someone like that is if you can't get in your club team you should not be starting for the

[00:30:34] national team to me that's just a very firm principle but I'm now reconsidering the the

[00:30:40] the double trecuartista because if Scamac is that no if he's the number nine that's what the

[00:30:45] way they play at Atalanta they either play with two in the hole or one in the hole and two

[00:30:49] strikers so I quite like that if you get someone close to him but the thing is

[00:30:53] can Pellegrini play that far forward because I think he's the best in terms of ability but

[00:30:57] I think he's better almost coming from deeper so a lot of things yeah a lot for Spalletti to work out

[00:31:02] I do think that's part of what you just touched on there Patrick is like for me it's like you

[00:31:05] sort of like fits certain like six points and that you know are non-negotiables basically

[00:31:10] at this point and like incredibly and we should get onto him in this game um because if you'd

[00:31:15] asked me two months ago this would not have been the case but I think now Gianluca Scamaca

[00:31:19] is untouchable I think that is that is literally starting number nine like nothing else is

[00:31:24] is going to be considered because he's he's scoring goals they're frightened centre what about

[00:31:27] Retege? No. I like Retege as an option I think he should be in the squad but you can't start

[00:31:32] him ahead of Scamaca. So Retege is an interesting one because he has consistently performed for

[00:31:37] Italy since he came into the side he has um but he got his first goal since February

[00:31:45] against Milan at the weekend it was a penalty yeah but Scamaca is going to be on his PlayStation right

[00:31:50] so I think if Scamaca stays there I wish I wish the tournament started tomorrow I really do the

[00:32:00] way Scamacas but the only thing I want now is for Scamaca to have as many matches as he

[00:32:06] can between now the end of the season that means Atalanta going to the Europa League final

[00:32:10] an extra match there you know he's going to be fresh it might actually be a blessing in disguise

[00:32:15] if he doesn't play in the Coppa Italia final because he's suspended so then suddenly he's got this

[00:32:19] you can imagine he wins the Europa League final that's what I mean maybe he's got this burning

[00:32:24] desire to get them through that semi-final second leg against Marseille because he's like

[00:32:28] well I can't take part in the final of the Coppa Italia because I'm suspended I can't remember

[00:32:33] if he even played against West Ham for West Ham against Fiorentina or if he came off the

[00:32:37] bench or what happened with the conferencing last year but I saw a steal of him with the trophy the

[00:32:41] other day and I thought hmm I remember you being a one season flop basically but no I think the

[00:32:47] Italy conversation is fascinating and yeah would you really none of you would start Zanillo so

[00:32:54] none of you would have him in your team not me I really like Zanillo in the team I think he

[00:32:59] adds physicality I think he adds pace and for me I think he's is he gonna track back

[00:33:05] is he gonna get booked after five minutes Patrick it's interesting that

[00:33:10] tracking back you lovely on you know some players don't need to track back you know

[00:33:13] oh raffle was he was appalling I know we're gonna get on to Milan later but I had no defense I

[00:33:19] was really um what's the word quite catty on my commentary about me like a little bit

[00:33:25] shard and fruiter yeah I was um I was both barrels for for liao unfortunately and I think

[00:33:30] maybe deep down you've conditioned me slightly I think you know I was defending him to the

[00:33:35] hills and I was like look I've done so much for you spreading the word by the serriacronicles

[00:33:41] and then you let me down like this it's too brutal do you know what imagine he imagined he

[00:33:48] replied to your commentary with your tweet before being like everyone he should yeah absolutely maybe

[00:33:53] I need to clip something up and say what do you think about this raffle yeah it was appalling

[00:33:58] feel like we're getting a little bit of instruction which is fine because the games this weekend as

[00:34:02] we've said we're not why are we not talking about saswalo inter well we will get to that I want to

[00:34:07] since we've touched on this quickly because we haven't come back and out I think I've just counted

[00:34:20] this right 10 goals in the last 12 games I think it's not just the fact of scoring the number

[00:34:25] of goals which needs to be highlighted he scored in both legs against sporting he scored twice the

[00:34:30] way to live a pool he scored in the first leg of their Europa League semi-final away to Marseille

[00:34:34] he's scoring in the big games as well he really is in this extraordinary form it was really interesting

[00:34:39] watching atlanta against that only time this weekend of course they won which is a big result

[00:34:43] for them keeps him on track for champions he's spot through the league um they're worrying me

[00:34:48] wasn't it wasn't a great performance all around they felt behind early to a team that's

[00:34:51] already relegated I think they're a really mixed group at the moment and I think that when you

[00:34:58] watching them for me in this game I really felt that um ademola lookman who I like and who has been

[00:35:04] really good with them at times despite the fact he has actually scored a couple goals recently he

[00:35:09] just looks like he's in one of those phases where he's trying to do too much he's trying too

[00:35:12] hard to make things happen it's not happening for him whereas you look at someone like

[00:35:16] skamaka and it looks like he just whatever he does turns to go up right now and the same

[00:35:20] coop miners and not surprising that those are the two players who who turned the game around and got

[00:35:26] atlanta three points um since we just talked about Roma um to just say what the situation is

[00:35:33] Roma uh six on 60 points atlanta notionally ahead of them but same points they have a game in hand

[00:35:40] Bologna now on 64 points in fourth place so atlanta's game in hand is a big one there's been a whole

[00:35:47] series of catchy back and forths which we probably don't need to go into about the fact that that game

[00:35:52] got delayed of course that was the game against fielentina that was delayed because of joe barone's

[00:35:57] illness and then death so a pretty significant reason why that game got delayed um but the

[00:36:02] fact that hasn't been rescheduled still seems to be getting under some people's skin

[00:36:06] um but that will have a big influence on that race for the top five was there anything

[00:36:10] else you want to say about that because we should talk about intercessuality but I

[00:36:13] don't have anything else you guys want to touch on those games yes a couple of things to me it's

[00:36:17] the variety of skamaka's goals as well just quickly whilst we continue our loving of skamaka

[00:36:21] you know he scored that but he scored that he scored that back healer empoly earlier on in the

[00:36:26] season he had a disallowed goal against fielentina uh in the cup where he smashed it into the

[00:36:31] roof of the net before then scoring a legitimate goal with a scissor kick um he's just I remember

[00:36:36] a goal fit while he was at sasvolo against napoli at the map a few years ago there's a cross

[00:36:40] in from the left he chested it down spun around and volleyed it in it was not dissimilar to the

[00:36:45] james rodriguez golfer or hammers if you prefer to call him that for columbia um years ago and the

[00:36:51] only other thing i'd say on atalanta and roma is the tiebreaker unless it's for relegation places

[00:36:56] or the top two positions is head-to-head results still so they still have to play against each

[00:37:03] other this sunday night in bergamore i've seen to recall the reverse fixtures one each so if

[00:37:08] roma beat atalanta they would have a superior head-to-head result they would therefore go three

[00:37:12] ahead of atalanta and even if atalanta were to win that game against schuylentina roma would finish

[00:37:16] above them if they were to finish level on points so that roma have to and ironically roma

[00:37:23] wanted an extra day they wanted the game pushed back to monday couldn't be pushed back to the

[00:37:27] monday because atalanta involved on the wednesday in the copri Italia finals so i think roma

[00:37:31] they need to decide whether they really believe they can win by two goals in levicuzan to take

[00:37:35] that game to extra time or there they think we've had a good run in the Europa League let's now

[00:37:39] qualify for the champions league by beating atalanta and finishing strongly in the league so i'm

[00:37:44] i'm very intrigued by thursday's matches i can't imagine derosi not wanting to go for everything i

[00:37:52] don't think he's one of those people that budgets it's part of the reason why he's become

[00:37:56] my he's quickly become my favorite coach like i'm in awe of him and i know this team is somewhat

[00:38:01] slow down a little bit the kick you know exhaustion is kicking in it's been a tough calendar for them

[00:38:07] and i and i didn't see a very good performance actually we didn't even talk about the match because

[00:38:10] we went straight into discussing whether or not okay yeah we did was there more you want to

[00:38:14] say on that do if you know i i guess it's just it's a case of like a lot of people like oh well

[00:38:19] roma slowing down i'm like yeah but look at the calendar like it becomes hard and i feel like a

[00:38:22] lot of great teams have slowed down to the towards the end of the season i mean milan

[00:38:26] and you've had to stop falling off a cliff um and so i think it's normal but i do think that he's

[00:38:31] a coach who is he's bringing out the best in a lot of players that i didn't imagine and so i look at

[00:38:37] this team and i think you know i can't imagine that he will look up on thursday night and say

[00:38:43] we've already lost this do we just give up on it because there is this weird passion inside

[00:38:47] of him that's desperate to do something glorious so it is like let's try for the comeback you know

[00:38:52] i do think he's going to do that if that is ends up being so this is where i hate itanian football

[00:38:58] because a lot of the times what we we enjoy so much like all we ever talk about is that you know

[00:39:03] we're pragmatic in the way that we approach things right you know like if somebody actually goes for

[00:39:08] it it's it's exciting if they win and if they don't it's you should have thought better but then

[00:39:12] you encourage everyone to be very attacking you encourage everyone to go for everything and when

[00:39:16] they do and it's a risk because they could fail it they're always getting they're always getting

[00:39:22] criticized all coaches just get ridiculously criticized all the time so if he doesn't go for it

[00:39:28] and accepts that this is a loss to buy levicuzin i feel like the papers will murder him and if he

[00:39:33] doesn't then it's you should have thought better because it's more important to qualify for the

[00:39:36] champions because you've already lost that so i almost think it's a no win situation for him

[00:39:40] and i think this is this is the situation that we get to in itanian football um and so this

[00:39:45] is why i think that he's going to go for both of them really i think that's a great point that you

[00:39:49] may yeah actually mean that because the one thing that he can be sort of judged in favorably in

[00:39:54] comparison to murino is if he were to go out of the europe league in the semi-finals i think he

[00:39:59] at least wants to match what murino did by making the final of the europe league and there's

[00:40:02] also the added motivation wouldn't you really want to become the first team to beat buy levicuzin

[00:40:07] this season so even if you lose one nil in the second leg you still end their unbeaten run

[00:40:12] i mean then they'll come back and say well actually we still went through in the ties so it's

[00:40:17] you know it's uh it's technically statistically a defeat but it didn't count for anything so i think

[00:40:22] they i agree with you they'll try and win that game score early albeit i i read that alegrie

[00:40:27] advised him that they can wait at least until the hour mark before scoring their first goal

[00:40:32] no he didn't say that he just said you don't need to rush into scoring straight away as and you

[00:40:37] still have like until like don't worry about it if you haven't scored in the first

[00:40:41] in the first half they're still the second half and you can just go early in it keep it

[00:40:44] no no till the hour mark okay alegrie's mentality is don't worry if you haven't scored in the

[00:40:49] second half either or next game exactly we did that against trotnam and it's my favorite

[00:40:54] it's my favorite game of them because they didn't score until the end and they knocked them out

[00:40:57] and it was brilliant to watch i'm gonna knock them out when they least expected yes gonna resist

[00:41:04] for once making a mean comment about totlem i will move on to sasuala against inter sasuala won

[00:41:12] in tenner on saturday night on the surface it's a result that's all at once extraordinary and not

[00:41:18] extraordinary because sasuala um are in the relegation zone 19th in the table have been

[00:41:26] mostly pretty bad this season um they did bring in david abalazin

[00:41:30] relegation expert to to to save the day and it has not really turned things around

[00:41:37] on the other hand this is the 22nd time that sasuala have played inter since coming back

[00:41:44] to syria in 2013 in the league and this is their 10th win in those games so the series

[00:41:50] is exactly exactly evenly split 10 wins each in two draws after this one so in that sense you

[00:41:55] could call it predictable and also perhaps in some other senses some more cynical people think it was

[00:42:01] predictable patrick i know you don't like this argument raging raging because i think it does a

[00:42:07] disservice to so many people it does explain it by the way sorry before yes so basically there's

[00:42:14] unfortunately there's this term scan swallow which is a an alternative named for sasuala

[00:42:20] the idea that they scan side and you know they just sort of down tools and just sort of you know

[00:42:24] but at various times it's claimed that sasuala uh love uventus and just sort of roll out the red

[00:42:31] carpet for uventus and uh they've got it in occasionally for for me land but at all times

[00:42:37] you know andrea conceived apparently according to inter fans plays terribly all season before

[00:42:42] becoming superman every time they're into come to town it's a nonsense basically what it what

[00:42:47] it is is i think inter frequently are guilty of hubris and they underestimate sasuala down the

[00:42:52] years that's happened many times and i think a lot of it is born out of the fact that even the inter

[00:42:57] side which was part of that terrible run of six or seven seasons sasuala first came up in 2013-14

[00:43:04] i've got i've got a soft spot for sasuala because they came up to seria for the first time

[00:43:08] when i moved over to melanne and started commenting on seria so i've literally seen

[00:43:12] their progress throughout and i'm a big fan of dominico berardi but i think sasuala they're damned

[00:43:18] if they do and they're damned if they don't right this is a town from a it's a very small town they

[00:43:22] play in neighboring regimilia rejana have a greater history and fan base and whatever

[00:43:29] and they're outnumbered almost every home game they play especially when they play against the

[00:43:33] big boys right so already people are writing them off uh saying that they haven't won all season

[00:43:39] the only game you know sorry inter haven't lost all season the only game the intro of loss has come

[00:43:44] against sasuala but i just thought that there was it was quite provocative the inter fans saying

[00:43:50] you know you're going to go back down to seria b which again you can make the point that that's

[00:43:54] happens the world over in football you know fan bases try and rile one another up but i

[00:43:59] i thought inter did everything in their power in the lead up to this game to make it

[00:44:04] to give sasuala motivation to be honest they played a mixed bag of the team and i hate this notion

[00:44:09] that there's foul play at play that there's match fixing involved because it does a disservice to the

[00:44:15] 22 players that went out there are you seriously trying to tell me that because jovanni carnevali

[00:44:19] who's the sasuala CEO is supposedly on good terms with beppe marotta who's his inter counterpart

[00:44:26] the marotta says to lautaro martinez oh by the way in to make sure you lose this game and

[00:44:30] lautaro goes into the dressing room and says to people like pavar and other players who are at the

[00:44:35] club for the first season said oh by the way we've been instructed to lose this game it's a disgrace

[00:44:39] it's a ridiculous insinuation and all it does is damage to the italian game and to be honest i'm

[00:44:44] sick of it okay can you can you guys wind back because i feel like i don't know this i didn't

[00:44:50] understand this yeah so what's going on are the fans saying that inter fans saying that sasuala

[00:44:55] cheating or they're cheating no melan and uventus fans are saying that inter deliberately lost the game

[00:45:01] to do a favor to sasuala as some sort of deferred payment on fratese who they got for a cut price

[00:45:08] deal oh is that is that oh i don't know oh it's a proper deep conspiracy theories but also can we

[00:45:13] just look at something as well this is what's driven me mad as well all season about the whole

[00:45:18] who's better this season's intro last season's napoli and people using bizarre metrics like

[00:45:23] intro going to finish with 100 points napoli only got 90 of course napoli only got 90 they won the

[00:45:28] league with five games to spare intro have won the league with five games to spare what happens when

[00:45:32] you win the league you party because you beat me now you party because you beat torino and by the

[00:45:36] way you only beat torino because they got a red card in the second half otherwise it's ending

[00:45:40] nil nil that game then what happens you don't have any motivation make what you want about we

[00:45:44] can finish with 101 points or we're gonna go 45 games in which you scored consecutively

[00:45:49] or we're gonna concede fewer than 20 goals against it twice no my point is sorry it's a very long

[00:45:56] window point this is not conspiracy theory this my point is that could we not consider that sasuala

[00:46:01] who are four games away from being relegated for the first ever time from serie since they came up

[00:46:06] could we not concede possibly sasuala who by the way as nicky said have beaten into nine times in

[00:46:11] the past might have a bit more motivation than a team that have been partying for two weeks

[00:46:17] since they won the derby could we not concede that absolutely into barely had an opportunity in the

[00:46:22] second half because the players can't be bothered they've got one eye on the euro they've got one eye

[00:46:26] on the euro it's an away game they traveled on the day ordinarily they would travel the night

[00:46:31] before you know it's you take your foot off you cannot have the same motivation it's human

[00:46:36] and i don't blame into for that so i think all this stuff about will the only way you get 100

[00:46:41] point seasons or 98 point seasons is when you have teams like live a pool and manchester city

[00:46:46] who are pushing each other all the way and you have to win every single game so as you win the

[00:46:49] league if you win the league with five games to spare then your level drop off and you're just

[00:46:53] your ventures exactly and into might well drop off they might lose it for us in on friday as well

[00:47:00] because for us in on it have an objective they're trying to stay up so i just thought it was very

[00:47:05] cruel to sasuala i thought it was quite rude to enter a you know questioning their professionalism

[00:47:11] it's not a good look we've had match fixing in the past in italy so i understand why people

[00:47:15] go there but it's it's it's not conducive to the game moving on from those scandals of the past

[00:47:21] when every time we get an unexpected result you know that happens in the premier league people

[00:47:25] say the beauty of the premier league anyone can beat anyone in italy it's like how dare

[00:47:30] in to lose at sasuala it's a nonsense and it did my head i think i think the um i was gonna say

[00:47:35] there the the sort of the things that give the lightness to me is you know the first half

[00:47:42] and it's just laugh for an arrow offside i mean did latarot time his run perfectly to make sure he

[00:47:46] was that fraction offside so that it wasn't going to count like there's this stuff like that i think

[00:47:51] the point you made about um going into the dressing room i mean do i really believe that

[00:47:55] like you said players like pervade and and i'm an exisantia so i think probably out of everyone

[00:47:59] looked like he was um running around like a um you know like alexis sanchez does in that first

[00:48:05] half they are they really sort of going yes sure don't worry about it we'll make sure we

[00:48:09] we don't win this game um is this not just a normal thing that happens like when a team wins

[00:48:14] and i mean i know that you thank you i'm just i mean i just remember that at the time when

[00:48:19] we were winning in sasuala we're losing to us people will say it's amazing how every time

[00:48:23] you vent is come around but arzino is not playing you know and i i actually eventually

[00:48:27] started to be like yeah that is weird why isn't he's never playing against us like

[00:48:31] maybe it's right but it's just sort of the usual stuff that you throw to teams that are

[00:48:35] winning right like it's there's always some conspiracy theory as to why a team is winning

[00:48:39] that is he was on the pitch not of anyone like could i imagine someone looking at his old mates

[00:48:43] and going i don't really want to beat you yeah i can imagine someone doing that if they've already

[00:48:46] got their their thing done like being on the pitch in sort of in a personal way going on i don't

[00:48:51] really want to make you guys suffer someone that's barely started this season i don't think so i

[00:48:55] think he thinks i want to score i want to prove do you know what i mean yeah i need to be

[00:48:58] starting for italy i need to prove to in zagi that i should be starting the odd game ahead

[00:49:03] of barrel or or make it a dian and and it also brings me yeah absolutely and it also brings

[00:49:09] me back to what other people were saying do you remember the the final uventus title win of course

[00:49:16] you do of the nine in a row under sadly right i think they ended up finishing one point clear

[00:49:20] of inter because uventus won it with three games three or four games to spare and lost

[00:49:25] remaining matches and and i've heard people since say oh well inter have been the best

[00:49:30] team in five years because they were one they were second in that year and they were one point

[00:49:34] behind it's like have some intellectual honesty please they were also rand's they were you know in

[00:49:39] the same way that me love if me if me lander to win and they won't because there are six

[00:49:43] without a win for their last across all competitions but if me love to win out all their games

[00:49:48] and into what and play the reserves and lose all their games you can't then look at the final

[00:49:52] table and say oh it's close it wasn't closed and it's you know and that's that's what i don't

[00:49:56] like isn't this something like as in they were saying this about buying as well but they're buying

[00:50:01] is supposed to be obviously they're playing realm at red tomorrow they lost over the weekend and people

[00:50:04] are like well look at them obviously they're going to lose they lost over the weekend yeah but

[00:50:08] the league's already been won they've got nothing to play for on the domestic they don't care if

[00:50:11] they finish second or third it doesn't matter anymore then they care more about what they're

[00:50:15] going to do in the champions league so this is not like this is not how you rate teams

[00:50:19] exactly like saddest team the team completely fell off at the end because they just didn't

[00:50:23] need to care anymore just like you ventis fell off last year when they realized that they'd been

[00:50:27] deducted points that it's hard to get back on and so i do feel like a lot of the times when people

[00:50:33] this is a lot about nothing if that makes sense this is much ado about nothing it's a very

[00:50:37] Italian thing and it's just constant constant conspiracy theories on why things happen

[00:50:46] there was actually i thought quite an interesting point and pretty should move on from this game

[00:50:50] somewhere because i'm dragging this on too long with this conversation now but i thought it was

[00:50:53] quite an interesting point from pala condo during the week as well saying that and he wondered if

[00:50:59] you ventis who themselves have this very uneven season where they started brilliantly and then

[00:51:03] faded away almost in some ways her inters prospects of winning more than just the league

[00:51:08] because inter felt so compelled early in the season because the pace you ventis was going

[00:51:13] was so fast to all of their focus on the league and make sure that they were staying ahead

[00:51:17] in that race and perhaps some of those team selections in the champions group stage against

[00:51:21] southeast sotheard ad when perhaps they should have been focusing on those games making sure they

[00:51:25] won their group didn't get drawn against athletic and midget in the champions league if they'd had

[00:51:28] their focus a bit more even then they still would have won the league and kept something back

[00:51:33] it's really no i see the other way i see the other way no because i think and i mean what you're

[00:51:40] just saying about how you ventis last season they punted everything because they knew they had

[00:51:43] the points penalty i think you've entered so soon as they didn't have motivation this season

[00:51:47] that's why they've been so bad in the second half of the season it yes they were they were over

[00:51:51] performing and overachieving the first half of the season they're underperforming and underachieving

[00:51:54] the second half of the season but i think it's a bit more nuanced than that i think until millic

[00:51:59] gets that red card because then not only did they draw that game into win the next day

[00:52:03] in florans and then into win the deadbeat italy i think those two matches basically you

[00:52:07] ventis yes they lost belief that they could do it they will really sort of yeah and i think

[00:52:12] as long as into are being pushed all the way by uventus then i think they had more chance of

[00:52:17] actually winning that champions league match because it keeps your focus and your level

[00:52:21] high so you're saying for either way so what are you saying about interest champions you sorry that

[00:52:25] uv i'm saying that into would have had a better chance of going deeper in the champions league

[00:52:32] had the title race been pushing them all the way and not been because it was it was early on in

[00:52:36] february and i think they played the second egg in late february against that let's come on jude it

[00:52:40] early on in february when it became clear that into were going to win the title quite comfortably

[00:52:44] because uventus threw away but they they drew against empoly they lost to into they lost

[00:52:49] to home to udinez and they drew against forona they took two points from four matches in a row

[00:52:53] whilst in the world you've better i don't know i can't even i don't even know how to say that

[00:52:59] better um like it look i think that when it becomes easier like it is for napoli there is

[00:53:06] the potential sometimes towards the end of the season where you drop off when you have nothing

[00:53:09] to fight for you know i do think that that can happen i do feel head uventus been in the race for

[00:53:15] longer then i wonder what would have happened to enter i think they would have won more or done

[00:53:19] undone better i do think sometimes when you are constantly on your edge and you feel like someone's

[00:53:24] chasing you it makes you better because you start to remember how it is to fight in every

[00:53:29] single game and that yeah i agree with that in time so with this i absolutely agree with you

[00:53:34] and i think sometimes when you don't have anything to go for it just becomes harder like you've

[00:53:39] just partied for them to lose against asuelo i think was entirely possible because also a lot of

[00:53:43] bets came in for sasuelo which shows you a lot of people felt that that could go this way because

[00:53:47] they had partied all week it's it's a very normal thing to do so i don't but i do feel like we need

[00:53:53] title challenges that are very close so that our teams could continue getting better and uventus

[00:53:58] and uventus were so good because they were fighting at the start of the season when

[00:54:01] they lost the world to fight because they felt like they couldn't win anything look at the

[00:54:05] exhaustion look how awful they've been because they're actually a very mediocre team so what was

[00:54:09] holding it together was the fight without the fight you're nothing not a lot of me

[00:54:19] loves to fight to talk about huge games jumping out but there was the me land three genoa three

[00:54:26] a game which perhaps noteworthy as well for i mean there's six goals scored in the game but

[00:54:31] also noteworthy for the the kurva going on strike walking out this big statement released by the

[00:54:39] the kurva suud as well talking about basically what they see as an abdication from the club's

[00:54:46] leadership in the two years since we're in the title accusations of not wanting to take a project

[00:54:51] forward not making what even the intentions are the project clear that's sort of a lack of

[00:54:56] statement and also attacking the club for in their opinion and not having a strong enough voice so when

[00:55:02] in again in the opinion of the kurva when they've been refereeing decisions go against them or

[00:55:06] situations like that yeah angry about not having someone exactly as patrick just says someone like

[00:55:14] marotta who will speak for the club and and speak up for them patrick take it away if you uh

[00:55:20] if you have a thought on this one it was it was a weird weird occasion the whole me land game because

[00:55:27] part of the fan base are going on strike we know that that the ultras can intimidate other

[00:55:34] sections of support um so i think it's quite it's quite nasty to be honest i think if you're

[00:55:39] a me land fan you you get to go to one game a season you'd be pretty miffed if you go along

[00:55:44] and they've decided the ultras have decided that actually today we don't cheer today we're

[00:55:48] on strike do you know what i mean so and then you're made to feel guilty if you want that but um

[00:55:53] it's difficult for purely i think he's he he's not going to jump before he's pushed uh he's still got a

[00:56:00] year left on his contract so you know everyone wants the end of the season to come now from

[00:56:05] the land that was evident from their performance i thought the way tomory dived into that challenge

[00:56:09] after three minutes is another reason why gareth southgate doesn't pick him and i think

[00:56:12] anytime there's clamor for tomory to be an england squad sometimes people overlook how he

[00:56:17] can have these awkward moments and it was just it was lethargic lackluster from me land no one really

[00:56:22] wanted to be there um rafael yal put in his worst me land performance that i can recall um was taken

[00:56:29] off um slunked off behind peole without shaking his hand straight down to the dressing room was booed

[00:56:34] by the fans and um i feel some sympathy with the fans but equally i think only one team can win

[00:56:42] and you had your time two years ago it was napoli's time last season it's into time this year if

[00:56:48] into go on a win we that's fighting talk i love that i love that i do i do think if into where to

[00:56:57] win the next season and the year after that and they were to win four in a row and me land would

[00:57:00] be also rands then i can understand a bit more dissenting voices but i think unfortunately

[00:57:07] we always come back to this point me land they won the squoretta on the peole they got to a

[00:57:11] champions league semi-final the following season they were they were runners up uh either side of their um

[00:57:20] they were runners up the the year before their their title win champions the next the year after

[00:57:24] that they made the champions league semi-finals you know there was constant progress they had

[00:57:26] some good years under peole and i think unfortunately this is a club that should feel entitled because

[00:57:31] of their history seven european cups and so on and so forth but they need to remember where

[00:57:35] they came from and also the problem the problem will always be it's viewed through the prism of

[00:57:41] the melanne rivalry so if they'd gone out in the champions league semi-final to bayon or rail Madrid

[00:57:47] or whoever it wouldn't be a problem they went out to enter this season they might finish second

[00:57:52] they probably will finish second they finish second to enter and that's what it comes down to

[00:57:57] and so until you get away from that until intercom third and me land finish above them again

[00:58:02] it's going to be like this um i've been uh yeah i just i guess listen i i always think of myself

[00:58:09] like i i don't know how much i agree with fans bases sometimes because whenever i think of a club

[00:58:13] i think of a club as if i was the owner and what i would do so i i tend to side a little bit

[00:58:18] more with ownership than i do sometimes with the fans yeah and here's the thing like i do i do

[00:58:23] feel sometimes it's like fan bases one of the things that i really hate about analysis um

[00:58:28] um is that a lot of the times like for example when me and lost to Liverpool it was like oh this is

[00:58:34] the great me land like they you didn't even put up a fight and i'm like okay but it's not the

[00:58:38] Milan of chef tencos like chill out you know like i thought the analysis was so poor because

[00:58:43] they weren't taking into account the team that was being presented by me land and all of that

[00:58:47] but i think the fans are guilty of the same thing so i agree with patrick in many ways

[00:58:52] it's like this is a team that has been consistently fourth and in how or fifth in terms of

[00:58:57] budget and spending it's been less than roma i think that they've done a lot for that kind of

[00:59:03] budget considering and yet they're being judged by their name right now it's like well you're me

[00:59:08] and we expect more on the one hand i sort of respect that because as fan bases we always

[00:59:12] demand so much from our teams especially when you have great history right but there is something

[00:59:18] to be said for example i'm thinking now of like Liverpool like if i'm a Liverpool fan and

[00:59:22] i've just watched this team like do so well and then just drop off a cliff and now like you know

[00:59:26] there's arguments on the pitch line between my between the best player and between the coach

[00:59:30] then i'm going to have a lot to say if this was an Italian fan base they would be like protest

[00:59:35] galore like how could you throw it away and and what is i mean how could Liverpool lose to at

[00:59:40] Atlanta the shame of it oh my god look at the how much we're picked it would be

[00:59:45] nonsensical it would be all over the gazette headlines about how they threw it away

[00:59:50] and yet what Liverpool did and what the fans did was hold their hands up and say atlanta were better

[00:59:55] we'll move on we have other targets we'll try to rebuild we'll try to be better but we just don't

[01:00:00] have that it's interesting because there was a lack of flags the night that um as lanta went

[01:00:06] to the cop that was a whole sort of subplot that i think didn't get as much pick up in it

[01:00:10] please there was a whole fan because i but i think part of that was because actually

[01:00:14] Liverpool just expected to get through that round and and some fans later requested sorry they

[01:00:18] didn't hold enough what can you reply that can you repeat it wasn't a full walk out like what me

[01:00:24] landed but there was a decision by fans on the cop to to i can't remember the full context of what

[01:00:32] that was about um so you'll have to forgive me on that one and ask a liveable journalist but

[01:00:36] there was definitely a sort of mini fan protest going on during that live plan just why we didn't

[01:00:40] get a lot of whenever they do lose or whenever stuff happens no one's ever demanding clock

[01:00:46] resigning or clock move on and i just feel like this is the constant thing we have like they lose

[01:00:50] two matches and in zaghi should be out in the inter oh how dare you you know like this is just hideous

[01:00:55] you only reach the championship final you couldn't put up a fight in the scudetto you you should go

[01:01:00] you should walk out the door it's again the same thing oh purely you didn't manage to

[01:01:03] overachieve with 10 year arrivals and a salary budget that's lower than then the top teams

[01:01:08] in italy like you should be out the door oh you ventus you're paying loads of salary because

[01:01:12] you have been so financially mismanaged but you have a really crap team actually it's like

[01:01:16] got loads of absences and the key parts again it's never judged based on what you have now there's

[01:01:21] one thing to be saying is that i do think there's something wrong in the ownership and the constant

[01:01:25] changes i don't agree with the with the sacking of people like maldini you wonder as well about

[01:01:31] their ambitions for the club because they are more or less a club that seem to care a lot more

[01:01:35] about media than they seem to care about what's on the pitch and that is by look at the players

[01:01:39] that they're targeting yes sure they're not in there for going for like a hundred million pound

[01:01:44] players they're in there to try to create a sustainable project you may disagree with that

[01:01:48] when you're me land because you've never been a sustainable project so i get that i get that

[01:01:52] protest and i you know more power to them but at the end of the day you also can't start

[01:01:57] blaming people when they are that you're asking more than they can produce and at the end of

[01:02:02] the day this is what your this is how much you can pay so you can't expect players to

[01:02:05] overachieve all the time your players are players i didn't hear about before i didn't know who

[01:02:10] Reinders was you know like i didn't know or i didn't watch these guys on a regular basis to think

[01:02:15] they're going to come in and start beating like barrel and laugh that are my teachers is just

[01:02:19] one of world cap so i do think there's a lot that we're not judging based on reality but

[01:02:24] rather on on history and while this is who we are and this is our name and this is what we

[01:02:28] expect it this is where it gets really annoying to watch and then and then it's also the

[01:02:33] media isn't this the end of the cycle how hideous is this tactical like yes i get it but we

[01:02:40] there's so much to look into this there's so much to analyze in this and i don't think anything's

[01:02:44] ever properly analyzed it's only dramatic historical reactions all the time and it's

[01:02:49] starting to get really tiring it's making me actually not like the league anymore

[01:02:56] so in conclusion purely out sack board

[01:03:03] get rid of the stadium and let's chat about actually the place that purely has been linked to

[01:03:10] napoli they drew one all against what you know so i thought this was actually a really

[01:03:13] interesting game in one sense not an overstate if i say we're into game but i think it was

[01:03:18] it was what intrigued me about this game was that napoli actually did carry the game to

[01:03:23] do denersey we've talked about teams that have perhaps put their feet up i didn't feel that

[01:03:26] with napoli i thought they actually dominated this game and osu!men put the ball in the net

[01:03:31] twice second one was rightly disallowed but it could easily have been an a pally win and and

[01:03:35] then we wouldn't have been talking about these end of season biscotti and teams at the top

[01:03:39] not putting up as much fight as they should but in the end of denersey did get the uh

[01:03:43] um the goal back and equalize osu!men i find you a fascinating mini case study right now

[01:03:49] because he looks like he is done he wants to leave but he also doesn't want to stop scoring goals

[01:03:55] because he's osu!men so so he's out there chasing the ball and putting the ball in but

[01:03:59] at the end of the game his body language is just like oh just the body language is someone

[01:04:03] who's counting down each game one at a time into let's get out of here um i'll be very surprised

[01:04:08] for you back next season um i've mentioned certainly i guess atalanta torino drew nail

[01:04:15] nail with bologna um was a 75th year anniversary of the supercar air disaster another uh moving

[01:04:21] trip you over the weekend uh verona one two one against furentina big win big win for them in

[01:04:29] in the relegation fight as well monza drew tour with laxio which probably i think we can stop

[01:04:34] talking about laxio in that top five uh conversation now kagiri lecce one one and

[01:04:40] employee frozen on it also nail nail yes i just want to tell you um if you are listening yes that

[01:04:46] before the pod started we talked about doing a shorter pod because we didn't have that much to

[01:04:50] talk about we've ended up on 15 different ranks you know i've given up on it down in football

[01:04:56] patrick's had enough of it it's it's incredible and i think this might just be the longest pod

[01:05:01] yet thank you anyway for listening to us like rant on about all the different things that

[01:05:06] that have happened this week i am hoping for some more excitement next week but it just

[01:05:11] it just seems to be a little bit exhausting at the moment i just don't want to see any more draws

[01:05:16] but either way thank you for listening to us we will be back next Tuesday please uh find

[01:05:22] us on all our socials all our links are in the show notes and uh let's uh hope and pray

[01:05:29] that roma managed to get some big win and and a comeback and atalanta can do something special

[01:05:35] thanks to patrick kendrick thanks to niki bandini and her wonderful hosting i mean rizuki over and out

[01:05:47] we are crocos is a be a crocos production try to move us on quicker and i really enjoyed it today

[01:06:03] it's quite good going just it's actually nicer when we have a discussion than when we actually

[01:06:07] are just it's much nicer like this i think anyway it's more fun for me anyway yeah it was it was

[01:06:12] a fun conversation all the way through it was sports social podcast network