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[00:02:10] What a weekend in Sedia Gang. It was draws and draws and draws. I should have counted them

[00:02:16] before I started doing this intro, but I don't know. I know Patrick Kendrick who is with

[00:02:20] me for this podcast knows because he did a tweet about it. And was it eight draws in a row,

[00:02:25] seven and a half technically because we have the Audinese Roma game which was abandoned level.

[00:02:32] There were seven games which were completed, which would draw the first two of the round,

[00:02:35] funnily enough produced a result. That's your four Saloni Tana one and then let you one

[00:02:39] Empoli nil. But since then we haven't had a result. So the run is ongoing. In fact,

[00:02:44] your tweet was asking if it was a record and I don't know if you ever got to the

[00:02:48] bottom of whether or not that's a record for a sequence of consecutive draws.

[00:02:52] Funnily enough, I then went to watch the Chroneche di Spogliatoio content live which I've never seen

[00:02:58] before. I've seen the content before but I've never seen it streamed live before called Fontana

[00:03:02] di Trevi with Ricardo Trevisani and they have the encyclopaedic knowledge of Giuseppe

[00:03:07] Pastore who suggested there was an equivalent round of seven draws from an eight game round

[00:03:15] of fixtures. So proportionally that was higher albeit if we were to reach eight and that

[00:03:20] would require the Audienesa Roma game to end in a draw then it would be a record for the single

[00:03:25] number of draws in a match day. And Jinkers as well, Giancarlo Rinaldi got in touch to say it

[00:03:31] also matched that same seven draw haul from I think it was somewhere in the 1970s. Probably

[00:03:36] would have been helpful if I'd actually had the tweet to hand but there you go. So I

[00:03:40] shout out to Jinkers there as well. I should have checked him before. It's just me and Patrick

[00:03:46] today gang I'm afraid Mina is unable to join us but perhaps not unfortunately the most compelling

[00:03:54] around as we're just saying that she's had to miss this one or four. I had an ex for a long time

[00:04:00] who is very into the TV show ER and ER I don't know if you've watched it. I'm not really big one

[00:04:05] for medical drama stuff not really my thing but they it goes on forever there's millions of

[00:04:11] episodes and I was introduced to this concept that there were moving on episodes so there were

[00:04:17] certain episodes which nothing really happens but that's necessary because in a long running series

[00:04:21] you need some episodes it is your moving on episodes. I think this was definitely one of

[00:04:25] Cédias moving on episodes because we had midweek, Europa League round before and after

[00:04:32] which have got some pretty big stakes for Italian teams. We have a Monday night Milan Darby

[00:04:38] coming up next weekend which may well be the moment that Inter get to lift their title against

[00:04:43] their rivals we'll get to that but this very much felt like in the story of the season this was one

[00:04:48] of those weekends everyone was just everyone was just moving on in this episode and getting to the

[00:04:53] good bit so not the most exciting one I know that's probably not a very draw you in way to

[00:05:00] talk about podcast guys but draw being the operative word. Exactly gotta be honest sometimes

[00:05:06] and not every round can be a banger. I think the place to start Patrick probably because this is

[00:05:13] the one piece of news that really did get obviously everyone's attention that scary moment in

[00:05:20] Udinez's game against Roma, Evan and Dica I think it was the 72nd minute of the game

[00:05:27] falls to the ground and clutches his chest and ends up leaving the pitch on a stretcher

[00:05:35] and the game is subsequently abandoned. We've seen some horrific incidents on the football pitch of

[00:05:44] player suffering cardiac arrest so I think the one that has forever marked Italian football was the

[00:05:49] death of Piedramario Morossini and that was 12 years I believe to the day before this incident

[00:05:58] within Dica and for certain has left a lasting impact but of course internationally I suppose

[00:06:05] more recently you get the example of Christian Eriksen who fortunately his life was saved but

[00:06:09] had a similar situation cardiac arrest on the pitch while playing for Denmark at Euro 2020 so

[00:06:14] awareness of these things is so much higher as it turned out and Dica did not suffer

[00:06:21] a cardiac arrest or even it appears cardiac issue. He was released from hospital yesterday

[00:06:27] and effectively it sounds like he suffered and I don't know if my technology is exactly perfect

[00:06:34] here but a mild collapsed lung, mild does not sound like a word that you would want to use with

[00:06:39] collapsed lung but effectively that's been a small amount of air gets between your lung and the

[00:06:45] chest cavity wall and in Italian the word they use was mini-mot and that is mild is perhaps

[00:06:51] not a perfect translation but it's the best I can do for conveying that in general and we still

[00:06:57] don't know all of the very specifics of the situation but in general what when a doctor talks

[00:07:01] about that situation with the collapsed lung what they mean is it's a situation that will resolve

[00:07:05] itself doesn't require serious medical intervention will require monitoring and and for and Dica to

[00:07:10] be tracked and looked after but certainly a lot less serious than we first feared when it happened.

[00:07:16] Absolutely and I think Italy have always had very rigid protocols when it comes to all of these

[00:07:21] cardiac examinations that you can undergo I think we saw it with Eriksen didn't we

[00:07:26] into essentially forced to sell the player on because or rip up his contract because I

[00:07:33] believe and still the case players can't be fitted with a pacemaker and then play professional

[00:07:38] football in Italy so in that sense there would have been a number of checks gone on beforehand

[00:07:44] this is not some heart irregularity from from all accounts as you said it's just something

[00:07:49] that can happen and unfortunately has happened but it was very concerning at the time but

[00:07:54] I think what emerged from this apart from obviously the very positive outcome in terms of

[00:07:58] the player's health which is of course the priority but it was great to see the collaboration between

[00:08:03] Gabriele Cioffi of Udinesi their head coach Daniela de Rossi of Roma the Roma players immediately

[00:08:07] signalling to get medical attention there was also the friuli crowd which was silenced by

[00:08:12] the medic who was then trying to check a pulse for ND card so he could actually hear the

[00:08:17] heartbeats and things so I think everyone clubbed together here and there's a real

[00:08:21] marked contrast between what we saw earlier on in Udine this season with obviously those vile

[00:08:27] scenes of races and towards Mike Mignon this time around very positive story coming out of

[00:08:31] Udine in the end even though at the time it was hugely concerning because the player drops to the

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[00:08:41] examples unfortunately down the years of players succumbing to instances like this you know

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[00:11:12] But mercifully the player is okay from all accounts.

[00:11:17] We'll see what happens in coming weeks.

[00:11:19] I'd be surprised if he plays again this season but then again I don't know

[00:11:22] what the extent of the repercussions of this.

[00:11:26] But the wisest course of action was taken.

[00:11:29] Admittedly it's easier to do so when Udine's there are outside of the relegation zone

[00:11:34] and that bit clear and it's only round 32

[00:11:37] and Roma are in a fairly strong position

[00:11:39] and it was one all in the game.

[00:11:41] I think had it been a walk over to one team or had they

[00:11:44] and also they just decided well this is the match situation

[00:11:47] we're going to come back another day and complete the match as well

[00:11:49] which I think is good sense as well

[00:11:51] albeit someone did raise the point to me

[00:11:53] a colleague raised the point of the environmental impact

[00:11:56] of Roma possibly flying to Friuli to contest 20 odd minutes of football

[00:12:00] but I think in the grand scheme of things that's a minor issue to contend with.

[00:12:05] The positive to come out of this is A,

[00:12:08] that the player seems to be on the mend

[00:12:10] and B, that everyone then came together club together

[00:12:14] and made sure that the best course of action was pursued.

[00:12:19] I think this is one of the things isn't it with them

[00:12:22] being working in football journalism and Patrick

[00:12:26] we end up having to be, we think that we need to be experts on the football

[00:12:30] and we try to be but you end up sometimes having to be experts on finances

[00:12:33] on medical stuff and some of those things like you just said

[00:12:36] are not necessarily areas of greater strength.

[00:12:39] I know for instance there was a big conversation after what happened with Ericsson

[00:12:44] and the Guardian offices clarifying from the editors point of view

[00:12:47] that clarifying for some of us journalists the differences between cardiac arrests

[00:12:50] and heart attacks because those aren't the same thing.

[00:12:52] Cardiac arrest is in simpler terms an electrical issue

[00:12:56] whereas a heart attack that's about typically the arteries being restricted

[00:13:00] and blood or oxygen being unable to attack the heart.

[00:13:06] It is complicated stuff and as we say in this case

[00:13:10] it ended up being nothing to do with his heart at all

[00:13:13] it's to do with a lung issue.

[00:13:16] I agree completely about the way things were handled

[00:13:20] was the big encouraging thing.

[00:13:22] To re-enact to Morocini maybe it would have made no difference

[00:13:26] but I think one of the most sort of upsetting elements of that whole story

[00:13:31] was how completely shambolic the situation was

[00:13:37] because there was an ambulance trying to access the pitch

[00:13:39] and there was a police car that had been parked

[00:13:41] so that the ambulance couldn't access the pitch

[00:13:43] and no one could find the person with the keys

[00:13:45] and the car out the way there, people breaking into it and pushing it

[00:13:47] while someone's life is on the line

[00:13:50] and I think that seeing how everyone in Audineere

[00:13:53] was as you said immediately respectful

[00:13:55] and how both parties basically...

[00:13:57] In the end the decision was basically left to Romas players.

[00:14:01] Deroci went down to the changing room to check on Indica

[00:14:05] he came back out, spoke to Choffee, spoke to the referee

[00:14:07] they said look we're willing to do what your players want to

[00:14:10] Deroci went and spoke to the players

[00:14:12] they weren't feeling comfortable

[00:14:14] and by this point it had been a 10 minute interruption in the game as well

[00:14:17] and I think you could see people were unsettled

[00:14:19] and so the decision was made

[00:14:21] and I think it's great when a situation gets handled

[00:14:24] by adults in an adult way

[00:14:26] It is complicated now for how this game gets finished

[00:14:29] you've alluded to it with the travel and everything

[00:14:32] because the way this works in Serie A

[00:14:34] the way the rules are written

[00:14:35] they will just come back and complete the remaining minutes of the game

[00:14:38] so as you said 20 minutes plus injury time

[00:14:40] which is a lot of organisation

[00:14:42] getting back and forth for something like that

[00:14:44] for anyone who wanted to know exactly how that's going to work

[00:14:48] any player who was eligible to play

[00:14:51] in the match on that day will be eligible for selection

[00:14:53] they do not need to feel the same 11 players who were on the pitch

[00:14:57] which makes sense because of course

[00:14:59] if they play in a couple of weeks time there may be injuries

[00:15:01] you might not have the same players available

[00:15:03] the only restrictions are you can't use anyone

[00:15:06] who was already subbed off

[00:15:08] or who would have been suspended for the game now

[00:15:10] I think there were

[00:15:12] all who had already been sent off in the game

[00:15:14] no one's been sent off in the game

[00:15:16] so those are the restrictions on the teams that will be selected

[00:15:18] and we will wait to see when the day is

[00:15:21] the rules also state preferably that in this situation

[00:15:24] the game should be finished the next day

[00:15:26] but of course

[00:15:28] Roma had a Europa League game to prepare for

[00:15:30] and the rules do provide that

[00:15:32] they say if there's a mid-week round then different allowances are made

[00:15:34] so that is why that game was not finished

[00:15:37] it was definitely

[00:15:39] poised at one all

[00:15:41] Audieners had started much the brighter

[00:15:43] all my definitely looked like a team who were in the middle of

[00:15:46] a more important tie and had made seven changes

[00:15:49] I think it was from the game against Milan

[00:15:52] Likaku had put them back level

[00:15:54] and probably at the point when this game stopped

[00:15:57] looked more likely to score

[00:15:59] but very much as I said in the balance

[00:16:01] which is the theme of this week

[00:16:03] and all of this week's games

[00:16:05] what are the benefits you want to say about

[00:16:07] Audieners and Roma

[00:16:09] I think we've just seen what a good side Audienes can be

[00:16:12] against the big teams

[00:16:14] I remember when I was doing their game against Inter

[00:16:16] in the previous round

[00:16:18] a lot of their victories have come against bigger opposition

[00:16:21] when you consider they beat Lazio

[00:16:23] they beat Juventus away

[00:16:25] they beat Milan away as well

[00:16:27] so it seems to be they raised the game

[00:16:29] for when they played the bigger clubs and Roma certainly in that bracket

[00:16:31] it's just been too many draws for them

[00:16:33] so it seems appropriate that we segue into draw round

[00:16:37] by talking about Audienesia

[00:16:39] who are the masters of the draw themselves

[00:16:41] I'm trying to decide which draw we go to next

[00:16:44] perhaps because we all love to think about

[00:16:48] Claudio Ranieri and his endless comebacks

[00:16:51] because it's a champion to like perhaps the obvious faces

[00:16:54] to go to Inter against Cali on Sunday night

[00:16:57] by this point we already knew that Sasola had drawn against Milan

[00:17:00] that's probably the most entertaining draw of the weekend

[00:17:02] so we will get to that as well

[00:17:04] not the Depe de la Mole, Niki

[00:17:06] was that not the most entertaining draw?

[00:17:08] not so much

[00:17:10] that was 90 minutes of football that happened wasn't it?

[00:17:13] Inter Cali was an odd game

[00:17:20] Inter definitely not their best

[00:17:22] they did know, sorry, with Milan having drawn

[00:17:25] they knew that a win would mean even a draw

[00:17:28] in next week's derby against Milan would have sealed them the title

[00:17:31] this draw means they can still win the title

[00:17:34] by beating Milan next weekend

[00:17:36] but definitely the win would have positioned them

[00:17:38] even more strongly to have that moment

[00:17:41] it was, to me felt like a game

[00:17:45] being conducted between one team who perhaps

[00:17:49] are feeling now that that title is in their hands

[00:17:52] and we're a little bit too relaxed

[00:17:54] and a Cali-Airi team who we see just keeps fighting

[00:17:57] and keeps finding these goals when they need to

[00:17:59] yeah, uncanny parallels as well

[00:18:01] I did the Inter Cali-Airi game

[00:18:03] and I've done the Cali-Airi at Alanta again the previous weekend

[00:18:06] and it was very similar in that Atalanta scored after about a dozen minutes

[00:18:10] Inter did likewise and then you think

[00:18:12] okay we've done the hard bit, we've broken them down

[00:18:14] but Inter never really pressed ahead

[00:18:16] and looked like scoring that second goal

[00:18:18] the equaliser was a slightly quirky one

[00:18:20] because it's just a long ball forward

[00:18:22] it just cannons off Tito Lovub

[00:18:24] I mean he cushions it down on his thigh

[00:18:26] Shomarodov who I've always been a big fan of

[00:18:28] I know it didn't work out for him at Roma

[00:18:30] but I think technically he's an excellent player

[00:18:32] he lashed it home

[00:18:34] what's weird is we're seeing just how many goals

[00:18:36] Inter are conceiving now where they weren't conceiving before

[00:18:38] I think they had that perfect combination

[00:18:41] earlier on in the season of not only having the best attack

[00:18:44] but it wasn't only they would keep clean sheets

[00:18:46] it was the fact that they would provide

[00:18:48] such solid protection for Summer

[00:18:50] that he wasn't even having saves to make

[00:18:52] and now whilst you can't accuse him

[00:18:54] of making mistakes for either of these two goals

[00:18:56] unlike the mistake he made

[00:18:58] with Dumfries in Audi now

[00:19:00] I think we are now seeing that

[00:19:02] if teams get at Inter and they do drop

[00:19:04] that little bit deeper then they can be hurt

[00:19:06] and what was impressive from Cagliere

[00:19:09] was that they not only equalised once they did it twice

[00:19:11] because Fratese came on, looked like

[00:19:13] he'd made the difference again off the bench

[00:19:15] winning the penalty, Yeri Mina with the handball

[00:19:17] Chala Nolu scores, now 16 penalties

[00:19:19] from 16 for Inter and you think okay job done

[00:19:21] Inter just need to draw in the derby

[00:19:23] on we go and yet Claudio Ranieri

[00:19:25] who spoke after the game they said

[00:19:27] how can you leave Nicolas Viola out

[00:19:29] and he said well because I know

[00:19:31] how much damage he can do

[00:19:33] off the bench, he's such a technical player

[00:19:35] he could do a job starting but why should I

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[00:20:11] From the start against fresh players when I know

[00:20:13] I can bring him on fresh against tired players

[00:20:15] and he's such an intelligent player that he not only

[00:20:17] understands my team selection but he also understands

[00:20:19] what to do when to do it where to be

[00:20:21] and Viola scored once having scored

[00:20:23] the winner against Atalanta with his head

[00:20:25] he scored

[00:20:27] a wonderful finish after it

[00:20:29] canoned off the forearm

[00:20:31] should we say Lapidula I know that caused some

[00:20:33] contention as well as to whether that should have been hand

[00:20:35] ball and then Viola really should have scored

[00:20:37] a header to win the game for Cagliere

[00:20:39] and I think Claudio Ranieri has shown again

[00:20:41] that he knows what his squad is capable

[00:20:43] of he's well aware of their limitations

[00:20:45] but they just have this

[00:20:47] happy knack of going and going and going until the final whistle

[00:20:49] and they've got Juventus next

[00:20:51] but I know this isn't a preview for the next round

[00:20:53] but if I were a betting man

[00:20:55] which I'm not I would put a lot of money

[00:20:57] on Cagliere beating Juventus in Sardinia

[00:20:59] coming up on Friday evening

[00:21:01] Yeah, when Ranieri's having these

[00:21:03] late game moments he just brings me back to

[00:21:05] for me it was conversations

[00:21:07] that I got to have when he was at Leicester

[00:21:09] actually because I was then sort of being asked

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[00:21:13] who'd worked under him when he was in Italy

[00:21:15] and there was the whole conversation back then

[00:21:17] everyone was very excited about the dilly-ding-dilly dong

[00:21:19] and

[00:21:21] yeah and I was

[00:21:23] speaking to Ivo Poglio who played under him

[00:21:25] under him at Cagliere the last time around

[00:21:27] and Poglio was absolutely adamant

[00:21:29] that started at Cagliere

[00:21:31] you need to write that started at Cagliere

[00:21:33] and but it's you know that was always

[00:21:35] the thing wasn't it that the dilly-ding-dilly dong

[00:21:37] was the wake up guys we need you to

[00:21:39] apply yourselves now you're not concentrated enough

[00:21:41] and he seems to keep getting that

[00:21:43] that reaction late in games but

[00:21:45] but Viola is

[00:21:47] it's a fascinating story because he's really

[00:21:49] not someone who's

[00:21:51] had a great

[00:21:53] he's a journeyman isn't he? Exactly like top

[00:21:55] level career he's played significant

[00:21:57] parts of his career and said he had B

[00:21:59] he was at Benevento when they came up

[00:22:01] went back down came up again so he's not

[00:22:03] someone who you think of as being this

[00:22:05] superstar but he has come to the rescue time

[00:22:07] again as you say I think he's now their top scorer

[00:22:09] on five goals by the way

[00:22:11] so it really has

[00:22:13] been a collaborative collective

[00:22:15] effort from from from Cagliere

[00:22:17] and if you

[00:22:19] are asking me to bet right now I think I would

[00:22:21] I would bet on them staying up because I just think

[00:22:23] they have that ability

[00:22:25] to go to the end of games which which can

[00:22:27] make the difference as for

[00:22:29] Inter

[00:22:31] La Tera was suspended for this game perhaps very conveniently

[00:22:33] for him to make sure he wasn't suspended for

[00:22:35] the Darby next. And Pavar as well.

[00:22:37] Pavar as well as you say

[00:22:39] so we had Alex Sanchez starting up

[00:22:41] front who actually had a good game

[00:22:43] but it definitely

[00:22:45] again

[00:22:47] it's hard for me to say something more

[00:22:49] profound then had the feeling of

[00:22:51] moving on episode from Inter's point

[00:22:53] of view that they're looking ahead to that Darby

[00:22:55] that Darby is the one they've got a circle

[00:22:57] obviously they would have preferred to win this game and get to that game

[00:22:59] in position to

[00:23:01] feel really confident about winning the league against

[00:23:03] Milan but

[00:23:05] there was definitely I think a gap in motivations

[00:23:07] between the two teams in this one.

[00:23:09] Yeah and I quite like the narrative

[00:23:11] aspect of the fact that Inter have to go

[00:23:13] and beat Milan, Milan are the home

[00:23:15] team so the majority of the stadium

[00:23:17] will be will be populated by

[00:23:19] Rosso and Erie fans and

[00:23:21] obviously we've seen the Inter have won the last five

[00:23:23] Darby's then won five in a row and in the calendar year

[00:23:25] 2023 Lester to get across all competition

[00:23:27] so I think there's something

[00:23:29] to that it might have you know had they been able

[00:23:31] to have the famous as the Italians

[00:23:33] would say two results out of three you know afford to draw

[00:23:35] the game then I don't think it would have had the same edge

[00:23:37] it might have been a really sort of cagey game

[00:23:39] but I think now they're going to have to go for it

[00:23:41] Milan will want to beat them as well so

[00:23:43] I quite like the way that that's set up

[00:23:45] to be honest.

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